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How _not_ to be transhuman -- Transhumanist slack


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Peter H. Moriarty [11:07 AM]
set the channel topic: right now we are very much in the intellectual “cat herding” stage.

David_Pearce [11:12 AM]
joined #zerostate by invitation from Peter H. Moriarty, along with hotaru_zoku, dangrsmind, archels, r3i

Peter Rothman [3:56 PM]
I am curious about the list of drugs you are consuming currently.

Peter H. Moriarty [3:56 PM]
hah

[3:56]
that’s need-to-know (edited)

Peter Rothman [3:57 PM]
Possibly up you should consider microdosing, because currently it seems to be going badly.

Peter H. Moriarty [3:58 PM]
What makes you think so?

[3:59]
being manic serves its purpose (edited)

Peter Rothman [3:59 PM]
You added me to this slack. That says it all.

Peter H. Moriarty [3:59 PM]
Was it a mistake? Do you want to be removed?

Peter Rothman [4:02 PM]
It was absolutely a mistake. You seem to be making a large number of them. As far as what I want…nothing from you Peter. You added me.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:02 PM]
So why did you join?

Peter Rothman [4:02 PM]
Why did you invite me"

Peter H. Moriarty [4:02 PM]
To harness you

[4:03]
for the greater good

Peter Rothman [4:03 PM]
I doubt it.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:04 PM]
And yet. And yet… here we are.

[4:04]
Maybe you will change your mind.

Peter Rothman [4:04 PM]
Puff puff pass.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:05 PM]
looks for marijuana emoji

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Peter Rothman [4:18 PM]
What a waste of time.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:18 PM]
Your time.

Peter Rothman [4:19 PM]
No yours

Peter H. Moriarty [4:19 PM]
@Peter Rothman: you’re gonna have to do better than that if you want the first troll award of the slack

marius [4:20 PM]
joined #general

Peter Rothman [4:21 PM]
Please, get a girlfriend or something. Study something useful. This is nonsense,

Peter H. Moriarty [4:21 PM]
yawn

Peter Rothman [4:21 PM]
Exactly what I was thinking,

[4:21]
You bore me.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:21 PM]
:heart_eyes_cat:

[4:22]
You fascinate me

[4:22]
Tell us more about yourself

Peter Rothman [4:22 PM]
Let’s see…no.
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kvn [4:22 PM]
joined #general

Peter H. Moriarty [4:23 PM]
awwww. Don’t be BORING!

Peter Rothman [4:23 PM]
You wouldn’t want any competition.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:23 PM]
hahaha.

[4:23]
I don’t even… (edited)

Peter Rothman [4:24 PM]
Seek help.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:24 PM]
Worst. Troll. Eva. lolololololo

[4:24]
What’s next? ur mom jokes?

Peter Rothman [4:25 PM]
I’m not trolling, And you are wasting my time.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:26 PM]
I’m happy

[4:26]
:pouting_cat:

Peter Rothman [4:26 PM]
Also insane pointless boring.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:27 PM]
At least ur mom jokes might actually be funny.

Peter Rothman [4:27 PM]
I’m telling the truth, it isn’t a joke. Seek counsel.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:27 PM]
Are you a bot stuck on that theme?

[4:28]
I seek counsel all the time. In fact, that’s why I’m here!

Peter Rothman [4:28 PM]
Stop taking drugs. Do something useful.
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Peter H. Moriarty [4:28 PM]
Good advice

transhumanbot BOT [4:28 PM]
Welcome, @marius!

[4:29]
Welcome, @kvn!

kvn [4:31 PM]
greetings

zariuq [4:31 PM]
joined #general

Peter H. Moriarty [4:31 PM]
gr

marius [4:33 PM]
hello

transhumanbot BOT [4:45 PM]
Welcome, @zariuq!

Peter Rothman [4:56 PM]
Want to know why most people don’t take transhumanism seriously? Read this group.

Peter H. Moriarty [4:57 PM]
We’re the heavy crew.

[5:00]
If you know somewhere more worth your time, go play with them. (and tell me where, so I can)

[5:03]
:bee:

[5:04]
:ear:

Peter Rothman [5:10 PM]
No you’re not.

And I’m not playing a fact which seems to elude you. I have more important work to do than whatever game you are playing here, for example, I have to clean a toilet right now.

Perspective.

Peter H. Moriarty [5:10 PM]
I know the feeling

[5:11]
It sounds like you’re trying to get a rise. I could crush you like an ant, but I like ants. (Amon would probably crush you for being a troll)

Peter Rothman [5:11 PM]
Yawn. I’m crushed. Oh dear!

Peter H. Moriarty [5:12 PM]
You’re not. Cos we’re nice.

[5:12]
You’re not worth crushing :simple_smile:

[5:12]
unless we need to drink your juicy insides

[5:12]
and I think we’re all fine for liquids at the moment (edited)

Peter Rothman [5:13 PM]
Sad that this is the transhumanism slack. What a waste.

Peter H. Moriarty [5:13 PM]
:ant:

[5:13]
You are very skilled at wasting your time :disappointed:

[5:13]
Make your own chan, and invite the people you like, if you want

[5:14]
It’s just a space. Nobody owns it

[5:14]

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[5:14]
if you chan sucks, it will be your fault

[5:15]
You can ban me if I’m too trippy for ya

Peter Rothman [5:15 PM]
False. Whomever controls the group owns it. You are boring and also a liar,

Peter H. Moriarty [5:16 PM]
Moriarty is a skilled liar

agnucius [5:17 PM]
@Peter Rothman: your toilet is calling…

Peter H. Moriarty [5:17 PM]
It might just be the vodka talking but… I’m made of potatos

[5:18]
I wonder if @Peter Rothman knows that he’s a troll. I suspect he does.

[5:18]
But you’d think he’s give up after being called on it

Peter H. Moriarty [5:18 PM]
shrugs

Peter Rothman [5:24 PM]
Why did you add me to this group?

Note, ,since you didn’t ask me in advance I conclude you have some ulterior motive that I wouldn’t approve of, but also you don’t reveal it, so you are deceptive. I further conclude you are lying and not very skilled at it.

I called you out on it. That’s all. (edited)

Peter H. Moriarty [5:27 PM]
@Peter Rothman: I didn’t add you. Our A.I did. Ask it. Hit it with a stick if it makes you feel better.

Peter Rothman [5:28 PM]
Who wrote it? And it isn’t an “AI” at all is it?

Come on, you are a liar and a not very good one.

agnucius [5:28 PM]
@Peter Rothman: I would like to hear your perspective on Transhumanism, in other words, what do you feel like we should be talking about.
This channel is called ‘general’ and appears to be mostly a lightweight ‘chat’ area to get to know one another. Maybe make another channel that is more focused so we can do something valuale.
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Peter Rothman [5:29 PM]
I don’t care about his channel or what you should be talking about.

agnucius [5:30 PM]
are you interested in transhumanism at all?

Peter H. Moriarty [5:30 PM]
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[5:32]
I fink it only cares about trollin’. Too bad he sucks at it. Ask Moriarty for lessons.

[5:32]
@Peter Rothman: THIS is how you troll: What is a troll? Some Zero State history

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What is a troll? Some Zero State history
Zero State (info@zerostate.net) to DoctrineZero, me On 6 February 2013 08:02, Amon Kalkin doctrinezero@gmail.com wrote: As I said at the beginning, this entire “boundaries testing” is now at an end. Continuing it in any way will signal that you cannot or will not hear me, and no amount of warnings would help the matter. I would ask everyone to please let this topic die immediately, but Peter, if you post on it again you will be banned from all ZS lists & resources for one month. The above w…

Peter Rothman [5:36 PM]
I didn’t request membership here. If you want to know what I think about transhumansim,read one of my articles on the subject,

I think you are the one trolling.

jonocosa [5:36 PM]
joined #general

Peter H. Moriarty [5:36 PM]
link us, please!

[5:36]
Are we supposed to know who you are? Are you Eray!?

Peter Rothman [5:36 PM]
You added me. You don’t know who I am?

Peter H. Moriarty [5:36 PM]
I keep telling you. I didn’t add you!

[5:36]
haha

[5:37]
You look too fat to be Eray , if that’s your pic

[5:37]
Lemme check your zero state posting history

[5:38]
it will be hilarious if you are Eray

Peter Rothman [5:38 PM]
Good grief. You are psychotic.

Peter H. Moriarty [5:38 PM]
Moriarty is… for realz

deku-shrub [5:39 PM]
Soon @Peter H. Moriarty will be gone :simple_smile:

Peter H. Moriarty [5:39 PM]
me?

[5:39]
uhmmm. Where am I going?

deku-shrub [5:39 PM]
to a farm

Peter H. Moriarty [5:39 PM]
awesome!

[5:40]
To pet animals and shit?

deku-shrub [5:40 PM]
to run around freely

[5:40]
for ever

[5:40]
but you can never come back from the farm

Peter H. Moriarty [5:40 PM]
yayayyaya

[5:40]
huh. Come back where?

deku-shrub [5:40 PM]
and no one can visit you

Peter H. Moriarty [5:40 PM]
WHY!? Who would do such a horrible thing to me!?

deku-shrub [5:41 PM]
horrible, you mean wonderful?

[5:41]
the farm is great

Peter H. Moriarty [5:41 PM]
I like my buddies

[5:41]
I like petting them

[5:41]
and grooming them

Peter Rothman [5:41 PM]
Looks to me like you might be headed to a mental institution. Farming is a nice lifestyle. Try it,

Peter H. Moriarty [5:41 PM]
I intend to.

transhumanbot BOT [5:42 PM]
Welcome, @jonocosa!

agnucius [5:43 PM]
@Peter Rothman: Is this you: https://linkedin.com/in/Peter Rothman ?

Peter H. Moriarty [5:44 PM]
Peter Rothman. So not Eray :disappointed:

[5:45]
but actually more skilled than Eray

[5:45]
we can harness him

[5:45]
As soon as we cure his trollitus

Peter Rothman [5:45 PM]
Let me explain this to you succinctly…fuck off.

Peter H. Moriarty [5:46 PM]
points to the harness

Peter H. Moriarty [5:47 PM]


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Peter Rothman [5:47 PM]
You won’t get funded by anyone because you are unpleasant, abusive and also not very intelligent.

Peter H. Moriarty [5:47 PM]
interesting

[5:48]
I have funding :simple_smile:

Peter Rothman [5:48 PM]
Then you are wasting it.

Peter H. Moriarty [5:48 PM]
You don’t know what they’re paying me for

[5:49]
I wonder if you have a reputation as a troll. Or did you just slip up today?

[5:50]
One heck of a time and place to slip up

[5:50]
gonna cost ya, buddy.

Peter Rothman [5:50 PM]
Why did you add me to this group?

Peter H. Moriarty [5:50 PM]
To harness you

[5:51]
and make junk

Peter Rothman [5:51 PM]
I won’t help you,

And some advice for the future…if you want to work with someone I suggest talking to them.

Peter H. Moriarty [5:52 PM]
oh wow. he’s going to tell us how to become iron man!

[5:52]
troll man, more like!

[5:52]
I’m talking to you

[5:52]
I didn’t crush you like an :ant:

[5:53]
Which processor you design? RISC?

[5:53]
I thought @David_Pearce was your boss

Peter Rothman [5:54 PM]
Umm, you are high.

Peter H. Moriarty [5:55 PM]
@David_Pearce just told me I was high on life. heh

[5:56]
I ask him to come and pull rank on you

Peter Rothman [5:57 PM]
You aren’t talking to me about anything that matters. You’ve sabotaged any chance of me taking you seriously. As far as the processor, I designed a neuromorphic computer for DARPA back in 1990.

Peter H. Moriarty [5:57 PM]
debt is like killing yourself? DUH.

[5:57]
debt is great

[5:57]
free stuff

[5:57]
don’t repay, just fake your own death. DUH

[5:58]
hire strippers!? WHo’s high now!?

Peter Rothman [5:58 PM]
Peter, what is your goal? Yes, I’ve seen people do it. Also prostitutes. This is Silicon Valley.

Peter H. Moriarty [6:03 PM]
@Peter Rothman: http://bwcd.vdcn.org/t/peter-h-meadows/914

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Peter H. Moriarty [6:12 PM]
mumble is in progress

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Peter H. Moriarty [10:33 AM]
Hullo transhumanists. So some people have expressed ideas about keeping this general chat room less … ‘chatty’…? I’ve only been chatting here cos we didn’t have so many members, and I thought it was better for new people to arrive and see communication going on. What do you think? I think we should have a ‘chatty’ room that all new people join, so people can introduce themselves and have informal chats. Shall we do that in #random? Or make another room? Or maybe we just leave #general as chatty, and have an #announcements room? I don’t want to be too strict about telling people what to do, but if people feel we’ll be more productive if we have some informal ‘rules’, I’m cool with that. I guess @vukovinski was thinking about this in #best-practices? We should make a better introduction about the slack, and tell people to join or make new chans for their projects? Thoughts?

[10:37]
@dw2: How about organising another event here, with a topic, like we did last saturday? I think it went well. It was a bit crazy with so many people talking at once, but I think if we do it more, we’ll get better at organising to different rooms. I think even if it’s a mess, it’s still a good thing to get people talking and planning.

[10:38]
Anyone have ideas for the ‘topic’? Or we could just say ‘turn up and suggest whatever’, like an ‘unconference’ style?

[10:41]
At some point I’d like to do a better organised and more ‘official’ event here with @David_Pearce about his ‘Hedonistic Imperative’ and stuff, if he’s up for it. But I think that can wait until we’re a bit more organised.

[10:42]
I guess that might work better if we can allow only one person to talk at a time? We could do it on another platform, maybe? (edited)

David Weed [10:44 AM]
To build a strong community, we need to have a “front door” (e.g. this #general channel) which is welcoming, friendly, and conveys a sense of purpose and direction
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[10:45]
People who visit our front door should be encouraged at what they see here - by our mix of professionalism, collaboration, vision, and purpose
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[10:46]
This should not be a place where there are streams of insults
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Peter H. Moriarty [10:46 AM]
Although I would add to that, It should still be ‘fun’.

[10:46]
But yes.

David Weed [10:47 AM]
I like the idea of @David_Pearce answering questions here, in an online discussion, about paradise engineering etc
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Peter H. Moriarty [10:47 AM]
I mentioned it to him a while ago, and he said he was interested.

David Weed [10:48 AM]
Perhaps some time next weekend?

Peter H. Moriarty [10:48 AM]
It could be something to get more ‘attention’ and do something that pushes forward some concrete projects / results.

[10:49]
Depends on @David_Pearce . I think maybe next week is a bit too soon for that one, cos I really want to organise it properly. Like a few weeks in advance, and test everything works (do a dummy run) and get the social media right, etc.

[10:50]
But I like the idea of doing a regular event every weekend, or biweekly.

[10:51]
so people know when is the best time to turn up, and take part in a productive discussion with many people.

[10:52]
I think the time slot we used last time worked well.

Peter Rothman [1:35 PM]
If you want people to take this seriously don’t add them without telling them why and then have a rude person with an apparent mental problem “welcome” them. This is not ok.

Peter H. Moriarty [1:44 PM]
I didn’t invite you. The A.I did.

Peter Rothman [1:44 PM]
I have a message from Slack with your name on it. This isn’t ok.

Peter H. Moriarty [1:45 PM]
I don’t see the problem.

Peter Rothman [1:45 PM]
I’m reporting is group to slack. You have been rude and insulting. It’s not ok.

Peter H. Moriarty [1:45 PM]
When was I rude or insulting towards you? Please quote that.

Peter Rothman [1:46 PM]
Scroll up.

Peter H. Moriarty [1:46 PM]
I have read it all twice. i do not see me being rude or insulting.

Peter Rothman [1:47 PM]
You wan to harness people like animals. You thought I was Eray etc.

you sir are an asshole. (edited)

Peter H. Moriarty [1:47 PM]
I like animals

[1:47]
I like people getting stuff done.

[1:47]
People are animals.

[1:48]
You sound like Eray, because Eray is also a troll.

Peter Rothman [1:49 PM]
No you don’t or you wouldn’t have done all of things you have done and engaged in that rude argument, This group needs to be closed and I am reporting it to slack management now. Good bye.

Peter H. Moriarty [1:49 PM]
I don’t understand your argument.

Peter Rothman [1:49 PM]
You are a rude asshole. There is no argument,

Peter H. Moriarty [1:49 PM]
I see.

Peter Rothman [1:50 PM]
I want harness you.

Peter H. Moriarty [1:50 PM]
Sorry?

[1:50]
What can I help you with?

[1:51]
perhaps you’ve never met a real transhuman before. heh.

“He doesn’t understand from where the shot has come.
He has never confronted a living Transhuman. Only fictional ones.”

Peter Rothman [1:51 PM]
You are very rude person. And @dw2 please contact me via email about this. It isn’t ok.

Peter H. Moriarty [1:52 PM]
When have I been rude?

Peter Rothman [1:52 PM]
Referring to people you don’t know as trolls and animals. It isn’t ok.

[1:52]
Also, a real transhuman? Explain your modifications. You don’t know me.

Peter H. Moriarty [1:52 PM]
You are a ‘troll’. It’s very obvious. Nobody is in any doubt.

[1:53]
I know how you sound.

Peter Rothman [1:53 PM]
Look, you added me to this group without my permission. I request that you remove me right now. I will talk to David Wood and David Pearce about you. Calling people animals and trolls is not ok. I won’t work with you or anyone involved with his you.

Peter H. Moriarty [1:55 PM]
@David_Pearce is my mentor :simple_smile:

Peter Rothman [1:55 PM]
Please remove me right now @David_Pearce

Peter H. Moriarty [1:55 PM]
I’m sorry, but Dave can’t do that.

Peter Rothman [1:56 PM]
You refuse to remove me? ,

Peter H. Moriarty [1:57 PM]
I was just telling you that Dave can’t remove you, cos he’s not a techie/admin

Peter Rothman [1:58 PM]
Ok, then you do it and do it now,

Peter H. Moriarty [2:02 PM]
shrugs

David Weed [2:05 PM]
@Peter Rothman: I think you can remove yourself via the “Deactivate account” button at the bottom of https://transhumanism.slack.com/account/settings

[2:05]
(Sorry, I didn’t find a way to remove you myself, yet)

Peter Rothman [2:05 PM]
I’m not deactivating my slack account because of this.

David Weed [2:06 PM]
It’s a Slack account that is tied to this transhumanism.slack.com instance

Peter Rothman [2:06 PM]
This person was ejected fm Zero State for the same behavior, we know how the story ends, he’s already insulting and harassing people here and I am just making it obvious so it can be dealt with sooner rather than later.

David Weed [2:06 PM]
Your other Slack accounts (which may well be accessed via the same email address) will remain intact

Peter Rothman [2:07 PM]
Good, good byethen. Very disappointing, what a waste.

Peter H. Moriarty [2:07 PM]
waves

David Weed [2:07 PM]
(And yes, let’s discuss further via email)

Peter H. Moriarty [2:11 PM]
@peterxing: The reason I don’t like to ban/block people is because I highly value freedom of speech, and you can learn something even from a fool.

[2:12]
So as long as the trolls are not ​_too_​ abusive, I’m happy to let them go on looking foolish.

[2:13]
Actually, we can delete all those posts, so it doesn’t derail the stuff we started talking about this morning?

[2:14]
I don’t like censorship either, but we could cut it, and put a link to the trash we cut out.

[2:14]
I dunno if slack has a good way to delete whole segments. hmmm.

[2:14]
That’s why slack with threads will be cool when it comes.

David Weed [2:16 PM]
@Peter H. Moriarty: You were far too quick to start abusing Peter Rothman. He is by no stretch of the imagination a troll. He has been editing H+ Magazine for a number of years, and has also curated a well-respected newsflow on Facebook

Peter H. Moriarty [2:16 PM]
@dw2: You’re wrong. He was trolling. By definition.

David Weed [2:17 PM]
And this brings me to one bad comparison between Slack and Facebook. On Facebook, it’s easier to find out about the past history of someone (assuming they are using the same account as they do for other Facebook activity).

[2:17]
Anyway, I’ve got real work to do. I’m leaving this Slack too. I may return once it shows signs of better organisation

Peter H. Moriarty [2:18 PM]
And I didn’t ‘abuse’ him. I just pointed out that he was trolling. Which is accurate.


(Professor J. Moriarty) #2

The TLDR:

Peter H. Moriarty [3:59 PM]
Was it a mistake? Do you want to be removed?

Peter Rothman [4:02 PM]
It was absolutely a mistake. You seem to be making a large number of them. As far as what I want…nothing from you Peter.

… 20 hours of trolling later …

Peter H. Moriarty [1:57 PM]
I was just telling you that Dave can’t remove you, cos he’s not a techie/admin

Peter Rothman [1:58 PM]
Ok, then you do it and do it now.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

you should consider microdosing, because currently it seems to be going badly.
It was absolutely a mistake. You seem to be making a large number of them. As far as what I want…nothing from you Peter. You added me.
Puff puff pass.
What a waste of time.
Please, get a girlfriend or something. Study something useful. This is nonsense,
You bore me.
Let’s see…no.
Seek help.
Also insane pointless boring.
I’m telling the truth, it isn’t a joke. Seek counsel.
Stop taking drugs. Do something useful.
Want to know why most people don’t take transhumanism seriously? Read this group.
And I’m not playing a fact which seems to elude you. I have more important work to do than whatever game you are playing here, for example, I have to clean a toilet right now.
Yawn. I’m crushed. Oh dear!
Sad that this is the transhumanism slack. What a waste.
False. Whomever controls the group owns it. You are boring and also a liar,
Note, ,since you didn’t ask me in advance I conclude you have some ulterior motive that I wouldn’t approve of, but also you don’t reveal it, so you are deceptive. I further conclude you are lying and not very skilled at it.
Who wrote it? And it isn’t an “AI” at all is it?
Come on, you are a liar and a not very good one.
I don’t care about his channel or what you should be talking about.
I don’t care about his channel or what you should be talking about.
Good grief. You are psychotic.
Looks to me like you might be headed to a mental institution. Farming is a nice lifestyle. Try it.
Let me explain this to you succinctly…fuck off.
Let me explain this to you succinctly…fuck off.
You won’t get funded by anyone because you are unpleasant, abusive and also not very intelligent.
I won’t help you.
Umm, you are high.
You aren’t talking to me about anything that matters. You’ve sabotaged any chance of me taking you seriously.
Yes, I’ve seen people do it. Also prostitutes. This is Silicon Valley.
If you want people to take this seriously don’t add them without telling them why and then have a rude person with an apparent mental problem “welcome” them. This is not ok.
I’m reporting is group to slack. You have been rude and insulting. It’s not ok.
You wan to harness people like animals.
you sir are an asshole. (edited)
No you don’t or you wouldn’t have done all of things you have done and engaged in that rude argument, This group needs to be closed and I am reporting it to slack management now. Good bye.
You are a rude asshole. There is no argument.
You are a rude asshole. There is no argument.
You are very rude person.
Ok, then you do it and do it now.
Ok, then you do it and do it now,


(Professor J. Moriarty) #3

super TLDR:

Puff puff pass.
What a waste of time.
Please, get a girlfriend or something.
Study something useful.
This is nonsense.
You bore me.
Let’s see…no.
Seek help.
Also insane pointless boring.
I’m telling the truth, it isn’t a joke. Seek counsel.
Stop taking drugs.
Do something useful.
Want to know why most people don’t take transhumanism seriously? Read this group.
Sad that this is the transhumanism slack.
What a waste.
You are boring and also a liar.
I further conclude you are lying and not very skilled at it.
Come on, you are a liar and a not very good one.
I don’t care about his channel or what you should be talking about.
Good grief. You are psychotic.
Looks to me like you might be headed to a mental institution.
Let me explain this to you succinctly…fuck off.
You won’t get funded by anyone because you are unpleasant, abusive and also not very intelligent.
I won’t help you.
Umm, you are high.
you sir are an asshole.
You are a rude asshole. There is no argument.
You are very rude person.


(Professor J. Moriarty) #4

My intention is not to upset anyone, but I’m not surprised if this post has ‘ruffled a few feathers’ :hatched_chick:.

Probably the worst parts about it are 1) @dw2 's reaction. It’s like he wants to stick up for the ‘old boy network’, despite it being very clear that Peter was way out of line.

and 2) @Deku_shrub 's death threats.

deku-shrub [10:49 PM]
RIP @neuroneater

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deku-shrub [5:39 PM]
Soon @neuroneater will be gone :simple_smile:

neuroneater [5:39 PM]
me?

[5:39]
uhmmm. Where am I going?

deku-shrub [5:39 PM]
to a farm

neuroneater [5:39 PM]
awesome!

[5:40]
To pet animals and shit?

deku-shrub [5:40 PM]
to run around freely

[5:40]
for ever

[5:40]
but you can never come back from the farm

neuroneater [5:40 PM]
yayayyaya

[5:40]
huh. Come back where?

deku-shrub [5:40 PM]
and no one can visit you

neuroneater [5:40 PM]
WHY!? Who would do such a horrible thing to me!?

deku-shrub [5:41 PM]
horrible, you mean wonderful?

[5:41]
the farm is great

neuroneater [5:41 PM]
I like my buddies

[5:41]
I like petting them

[5:41]
and grooming them

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So he’s threatening to torture Moriarty with solitary confinement for all eternity. Not cool.

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deku-shrub [11:48 PM]
can you reduce the amount you talk about your style when I’m trying to get things done?

neuroneater [11:48 PM]
no.

deku-shrub [11:48 PM]
it’s undermining

neuroneater [11:48 PM]
too bad.

deku-shrub [11:48 PM]
so what’s your goal?

[11:49]
are you out to undermine me or not get in my way?

[11:50]
the only reason I’m doing this via public channels is to allow you and others support this initiative

[11:50]
I don’t have to continue in this way

[11:50]
I don’t understand the term ‘undermine’

[11:51]
if I think you’re wrong I say so. Is that ‘underminding’ ?

deku-shrub [11:51 PM]
no, unless it’s in front of other people

neuroneater [11:51 PM]
If you say your idea in front of others, I say that i don’t agree with it in front of others. Why wouldn’t I?

deku-shrub [11:52 PM]
because ostentatiously you agree with what I’m trying to achieve?

[11:52]
and want to be generally supportive?

neuroneater [11:52 PM]
nope

[11:52]
no

deku-shrub [11:52 PM]
please be clearer about your disagreements

neuroneater [11:52 PM]
I don’t want you to be successful with that

[11:52]
but I want you to try anyway

deku-shrub [11:53 PM]
can you explain?

neuroneater [11:53 PM]
hmmmmmm

[11:53]
guess …

deku-shrub [11:53 PM]
also I learnt nothing from your F3 post

neuroneater [11:53 PM]
which one?

deku-shrub [11:53 PM]
the one you just linked

neuroneater [11:54 PM]
I thought the questions you had were the same as Radivis’s “What problems do you see in this world? What world would you really love to live in? What are your hopes for this community?”

[11:54]
no?

deku-shrub [11:55 PM]
no, I’m simply trying to streamline the slack processes

neuroneater [11:55 PM]
Then what is your question

deku-shrub [11:55 PM]
what are your disagreements with my goal of streamlining the slack processes?

neuroneater [11:55 PM]
if you can streamline it, that’s a good thing

[11:55]
none

deku-shrub [11:56 PM]
so why do you keep questioning my methods?

neuroneater [11:56 PM]
Cos I don’t agree with your methods.

deku-shrub [11:56 PM]
why do you question without proposing alternatives? This is not constructive

neuroneater [11:56 PM]
The alternative is to do nothing

deku-shrub [11:57 PM]
you’ve not persuaded me that’ll achieve much

neuroneater [11:57 PM]
I guess I can only say ‘wait and see’. In the meantime, go ahead with whatever you think will achieve the most.

deku-shrub [11:58 PM]
right now it appears to be asking you to stop questioning me in public channels

[11:58]
please can you do that?

neuroneater [11:58 PM]
Nope. That’s unacceptable

deku-shrub [11:59 PM]
fine, I’ll do it outside of slack and you’ll have no voice in the proceedings

neuroneater [11:59 PM]
As you wish.

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So he doesn’t want me to question/challenge his ideas in public debate. Does that sound transhuman to you?

I think he’s used to political parties in which questioning the leader in public is seen as disrespectful / unloyal .

“That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.”


(Michael Hrenka) #5

It seems that currently the only purpose of interacting with Moriarty is learning that interacting with persons like Moriarty is a waste of time. That’s a very valuable lesson, indeed.


(Professor J. Moriarty) #6

“instinctively had enough respect for you to continue talking; it’s actually somewhat unfathomable to me that he did.”


(Professor J. Moriarty) #7

And you should tell @David_Pearce that. Cos clearly he’s too dumb to realise it.


(David Pearce) #8

"If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we should find in each man’s life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility.” (Longfellow) None of us have the superhuman perspective-taking capacities of a full spectrum superintelligence. But part of becoming posthuman will involve each of us trying to overcome – somehow - our inbuilt genetic predisposition to scrap with each other (cf. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-assert.html) Sadly, developing a transhumanist culture of superhuman friendliness involves challenges orders of magnitude harder than writing software that can win at “Go”…


(Professor J. Moriarty) #9

“To be independent of public opinion is the first formal condition of achieving anything great.”
― Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

Nothing great in the world was accomplished without passion.

Only one man ever understood me, and he didn’t understand me.

The valor that struggles is better than the weakness that endures.

It is solely by risking life that freedom is obtained; . . . the individual who has not staked his or her life may, no doubt, be recognized as a Person; but he or she has not attained the truth of this recognition as an independent self-consciousness.

…this is love. I have my self-consciousness not in myself but in the other. I am satisfied and have peace with myself only in this other and I AM only because I have peace with myself; if I did not have it then I would be a contradiction that falls to pieces. This other, because it likewise exists outside itself, has its self-consciousness only in me; and both the other and I are only this consciousness of being-outside-ourselves and of our identity; we are only this intuition, feeling, and knowledge of our unity. This is love, and without knowing that love is both a distinguishing and the sublation of this distinction, one speaks emptily of it.

@Radivis: People who are too fastidious towards the finite never reach actuality, but linger in abstraction, and their light dies away.

“Public opinion deserves … to be esteemed as much as to be despised; to be despised for its concrete consciousness and expression, to be esteemed for its essential fundamental principle, which only shines, more or less dimly, through its concrete expression.”

“In public opinion all is false and true, but to discover the truth in it is the business of the great man. The great man of his time is he who expresses the will and the meaning of that time, and then brings it to completion; he acts according to the inner spirit and essence of his time, which he realizes. And he who does not understand how to despise public opinion, as it makes itself heard here and there, will never accomplish anything great.”

“The laws of morality are not accidental, but are essentially Rational. It is the very object of the State that what is essential in the practical activity of men, and in their dispositions, should be duly recognized; that it should have a manifest existence, and maintain its position. It is the absolute interest of Reason that this moral Whole should exist; and herein lies the justification and merit of heroes who have founded states - however rude these may have been.

“Such are all great historical men, whose own particular aims involve those large issues which are the will of the World Spirit. … World historical men - the Heroes of an epoch - must be recognized as its clear-sighted ones; their deeds, their words are the best of that time. Great men have formed purposes to satisfy themselves, not others.”

"A World-Historical individual is devoted to the One Aim, regardless of all else. It is even possible that such men may treat other great, even sacred interests inconsiderately; conduct which is indeed obnoxious to moral reprehension. But so mighty a form must trample down many an innocent flower or crush to pieces many an object in its path.”


#10

great citation. but how do you make the transition to “genetic disposition”? my interpretation would not need genes:

  1. the cause of hostility and violence is a lack of empathy and understanding of each other.
  2. if both enemies could instantly understand each others sorrows, they would not be enemies anymore. ( that leads me more to the idea of connecting our minds, than to overcome our genes)
    but i would go a step further:
  3. the cause of being hostile against fellow human beings lies in the secret history of sorrow and suffering every human being endured.
  4. sorrow and suffering is the consequence of violence others did to us. we only reproduce the violence we learned. the violence against others is the violence that is once done to us.
  5. our history of violence, pain and sorrow destroyed our empathy for other peoples (history of) sorrow, because it is normal to us. ( we endured pain ourselves so why should anybody be allowed to complain and not accept it as normal as well? we don´t want to have empathy, because it would be painful, again)
  6. violence and hostility of the human species is a generational chain. it has nothing to do with genes, that we inflict pain on each other, but just with what we have painfully learned from others.

(Professor J. Moriarty) #12


(Professor J. Moriarty) #13

Speak for yourself.


(Professor J. Moriarty) #14

“In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them…"


(Professor J. Moriarty) #15

Not for me. I can teach you how to do it. Watch what I do. :smile_cat:


(Professor J. Moriarty) #16

(Professor J. Moriarty) #17

It’s just a ride.

It’s only a choice between fear and love.


(Michael Hrenka) #18

Look, everyone, at what Moriarty is doing. He has his agenda and he won’t let people go until he gets from them what he wants. To get what he wants, he is spamming them, attacking their weak spots, and being horribly provocative. He tries to manipulate people into doing what he thinks they should be doing. If people reject his suggestions, he’s putting them down more and more, pointing out their apparent flaws. Finally, he will even make threats, which can be safely ignored however.

But worst of all: You will get little value out of people like him, while they are wasting your time. There is a reason I keep him in this forum: It’s for you to learn to deal with toxic people like Moriarty. His name is not an accident. Moriarty is a super villain, and he will haunt you – unless you ignore him. You should not feed trolls. And you should especially not feed super trolls like Moriarty. He’s so good that he even manages to waste the time of people like @zanthia, @David_Pearce, and me. That’s astounding. He has some serious skills. He is an edge troll. A person surfing the edge between being an obvious troll, and being actually useful. You won’t see him stray to either side often. He plays with the hopes of people to get some value from him, until they get tired of him – but then it’s already too late: He will have wasted so much time for so little in return.

If you learn to deal with Moriarty, you can learn to be truly strong and victorious. There is a simple reason why I keep Moriarty in Fractal Future:

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.


(Professor J. Moriarty) #19

Nope. Not scrapping is like not fucking. We are hardwired to get pleasure from it. The secret is not to take it personally. Be more fuckaduck.


(Professor J. Moriarty) #20

if you were a better rationalist you’d know to make a list of all the good stuff M did (pros) and all the bad stuff M did (cons). I have such lists. Guess what?

The reason you’re confused/delusional is cos the pain M caused you is making you biased. (If he hurt you, it was for your own good)


(David Pearce) #21

Yes, for evolutionary reasons, a lot of males are primed to enjoy physical and verbal aggression. But others don’t; and building a community that appeals to the half of the planet not blessed with a Y chromosome will involve changing our ways too. Building friendly biological intelligence is a daunting challenge…