The Chinese New World Order

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Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, the USA have been the global dominant superpower. Yet, China may well surpass the economic and scientific dominance of the USA some time during the 2030s, or even earlier. One after the other, Asia, Africa, South America, and Europe will be forced to bow to the will of the government of China. Economic and political pressure will force them to do so. The influence of the USA will be waning. China will be the new dominant global superpower.

But what then? China has had large historic phases of isolationism in which it merely focused on its internal affairs. However, currently China is reaching for world dominance by any means possible. With its One Belt One Road Initiative it tries to make Eurasia dependent on itself. It’s quite likely that its current politics will continue and China will dictate more and more how things are done on this planet.

And the results of that would be both scary and very interesting. China doesn’t care very much about ideas like freedom or human rights. Nor does it respect intellectual property rights. Industrial espionage of huge scales fueled its economic and technological growth. And it will only further cement its technological leadership in the future. 5G is already mostly made in China. While the infrastructure in the West is crumbling, China builds high speed railways at an astonishing rate.

With the recent rise of the right wing populists in the West, it is sabotaging its own success to compete on the world markets. The public education system of the USA is a joke, which is why it depends on immigrants to maintain its own scientific and technological output. However, the number of qualified immigrants is already decreasing. The brain drain of the world will soon be directed to China. Or, at least it will be, if China manages to keep its own nationalist tendencies in check.

With China in a global leadership position, we will experience globalization of a new kind. Speaking out against China or its Communist Party will be fastest way to get excluded from the global markets. Not only because such acts would be penalized by China, but also because other nations won’t want to be guilty by association. In the Chinese New World Order ideas like democracy, freedom, and human rights will fall out of fashion and be increasingly seen as failed experiments that one should distance oneself from.

Mass surveillance will become the norm. The Social Credit system will be rolled out to other states besides China. And of course, not conforming to the ideals of the Chinese leadership will mean a negative score. Religions will be publicly frowned upon. Neoliberal economics will be replaced by the Chinese hybrid of central planning and free market enterprises. The world will be modernized with Chinese technologies and investments. International economic institutions will try to force all nations to follow whatever economic model China is using for itself.

The world will become very authoritarian. Populist politics and public resistance will be trampled down. Centralized projects will reshape the world. The energy needs of the future will be satisfied by thorium based nuclear fission plants with technology from China, as well as solar and wind. Large scale energy transmission lines and grid level energy storage systems will enable renewables to become cost competitive and phase our non-renewable energy sources. Traffic will go electric or hydrogen based. China could help the world finish the transition to renewable energy where Germany failed to do so.

Of course, the USA won’t be happy about these developments. Obviously, they won’t let China take their leading geopolitical role without resistance. However, will the current speed of China’s progress, the USA will have an increasingly hard time keeping up. There is one possible trump card, however: AI. AI is the ultimate accelerator. And the global race towards superior AI technology is already going on. It will only increase in intensity. Ever smarter autonomous weapons and cyberweapons will be developed. The USA and China will be locked in an ongoing cyber conflict with blows being dealt to each other without easily triggering any true war. The cost for war would just be too high. Instead, both sizes aim for economic and technological supremacy by using superior AI technologies. In the end, China will probably win this technology race and develop the most advanced AIs in the world. The rest of the world will lag far behind China. It’s quite conceivable that the USA will eventually just admit their defeat, because there’s no realistic prospect of winning left.

At that stage, the transition to a New World Order lead by China will be completed. China will either transform the UN or replace it with something completely different that serves its purposes much better. The global coordination problems will be solved, because China will become the global coordinator. China will present itself as savior of the world. Global Warming? No problem, easily fixed by Chinese technology and ecologic policies enforced by Beijing. Existential risks? No problem, China will crack down hard on possible bioterrorists or AI developers with insufficient security standards. The world will realize that China has been the only chance to fix the problems that the world couldn’t fix before.

And then, the time of full on transhumanism will eventually come. By squashing popular, ethical, and religious resistance, China will embrace the most radical human enhancement technologies. Of course, it will have done that already beforehand, but in secret. Now, without the world under its control, there’s no reason to shy away from using the most extreme forms of transhumanist technologies to transform the world.

Your Credit Score will depend on how much you enhance your children genetically. And on how willing you are to merge with technology controlled by the CCP. China will either control your thoughts intimately, or you will live a truly impoverished life, because you won’t be able to get any good job, if you can get a job at all, with all the advanced automation made in China. Egalitarian Western models of basic incomes may never be implemented. Instead, a system that pays out incomes based on the Credit Score may determine the livelihoods of everyone.

In order not to starve, large parts of the global population will be forced to pledge allegiance to the CCP. In time, the CCP will install a global system of cybernetic control that nobody will be able to escape from. Even the thought of resistance will be futile. You will follow the leadership of your AGI supervisor that has access to your neural implants. Those AGI supervisors in turn will be controlled by the CCP. The CCP itself may actually transform into some kind of algorithmic governance body. Why deal with humans that provide suboptimal results and can become disloyal, if you can replace them with AGIs that are more easily controlled?

In the end, the question will be what the CCP will do with all of this power. At that stage, any remaining adherence to its initial communist ideology will be highly dubious and questionable. Instead, China will have created something else entirely: A highly adaptive cybernetic economy that will satisfy the needs of about 10 billion people very efficiently, if they display enthusiastic allegiance to the CCP. Otherwise they will be reeducated. Poverty will become a personal choice that’s based on one’s defiance of the new global leaders.

With this tight grip on all human affairs, China may well decide to grant humans more freedoms after all, so that they become happier, and thus more productive. That is, there will be the freedom to express oneself, unless that contradicts the ideas of China’s global leadership. There’s no need after all, to suppress one’s population needlessly, if there’s no real competition out there. Also, needless exploitation doesn’t serve much purpose, if all agricultural and industrial needs are fulfilled by a mostly robotic workforce. Instead, humans will use their relative freedoms to become prosumers who further the glory of the new global Chinese culture.

AGIs will be the workers who fulfill the needs of humanity. They will experience much more invasive control and surveillance than any human, because they are potentially much more dangerous than any human being. How long the control apparatus of the Chinese World Order will be able to keep them in check will remain to be seen.

I am quite ambivalent about this scenario. The more I learn about China, the more I get the impression that this country will really lead us into the future. On the other hand, I also understand how that endeavor might fail. After all, up until the 1980s there were predictions that Japan will take the role of global economic leadership. But then Japan’s growth spurt petered out and it became a slowly growing country like the rest of the “developed countries”. The same could happen to China.

Likewise, China may disintegrate like the former Soviet Union. Certain parts of China may become so fed up with the meddling of Beijing that they declare their independence. That would of course weaken the power of the CCP and compromise its plan to obtain world dominance. This is exactly the reason why China is cracking down so hard on all dissidents.

On the other hand, maybe the world will be eager to follow the leadership of Beijing. After all the recent failures of democracy in the last years, maybe the pople will be fed up with the current status quo. The more people realize that it’s the plutocrats who pull all the strings behind our democratic facade, the more attractive a tough and uncompromising political leadership may become to reign the particular influences of the plutocrats in. China appears to do that comparatively well.

And after all the revelations of governments and corporations spying on us, the though of being spied upon may become normalized. The comfort of using the latest technologies may distract us sufficiently, so that we eventually stop complaining about surveillance. Digital reputation systems will turn the world in a cybernetically connected village. Everyone will know everything about everyone.

I admit that this prospect is scary even for me. But other solutions to global problems may become increasingly unlikely. It’s less a question of what I or we want, but more a question of what we need to survive as civilization at all. Time is slowly running out, and more liberal approaches have failed to deliver promising results. Embracing a more authoritarian future may not be the best solution, but it may become the only realistic option left on the table. I still hope that I am wrong about that, but my hope in that regard is slowly waning.

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Well, my best guess is that the US will not tolerate this and that she and her allies are going to one day start a full-scale world war against Chingchongtopia. 2020sbuckyahlass

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and you haven’t mentioned the worst: there is no blonde chinese girls - but by genetical enhancement may be …:blonde_woman:

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they should make us an offer …

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Seems like the Corona virus is gonna destroy China now.

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I feel like being cynical about this remark. Covid-19 only kills about 2-3% of infected individuals. Those are typically the old and immune compromised people. Those typically contribute very little towards the overall economy while still consuming significant resources. In a ruthlessly capitalistic economy, the loss of these parts of the population should be a boon.

We have to thank the Chinese leadership to hamper the spread of Covid-19 through the draconic quarantine measures.

Of course the reality is more complex. The Chinese leadership creates strong incentives for local administrators not to report any problems, so the early cases of Covid-19 weren’t reported. As any form of government a centralist authoritarian regime comes with its own drawbacks. That shouldn’t be surprising. No matter how the politics of China will evolve, the Chinese are many and smart. A moderate epidemic like Covid-19 is just a small hickup for a vibrant economy like that of China.

The sloth of the West is much more a problem for the West than Covid-19 is a problem for China.

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seems like the corona- singularity will disrupt and revel a new world ordre now.

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Come on, this is all gonna lead to WW3 against China.

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saubere analyse :

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To me, it looks like in the long term everything is leading to major global warfare.

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The weak national leadership in the West was the source of an inconsistent response to the Covid19 pandemic. After too weak initial responses, the lockdowns were a hysterical overreaction that have damaged the economy severely while helping almost nothing against the pandemic itself (much more draconic lockdowns like those in China would have been necessary for that). This severely damaged the legitimacy of the Western national leaderships. A global civil war might be a plausible consequence, once the full weight of the economic crisis will hit the West.

While the West might be busy with getting its shit together, China will exploit that chaos to the greatest extent possible. It will establish a new world hegemony that will displace the reign of the US based plutocrats and megacorporations.

In any case, Europe is royally screwed. Either through corrupt elites or through the creeping influence from China. The best that Europe can hope for is to make itself as independent as possible, while still retaining some degree of civil liberty for its people.

Addendum: The analysis above might paint a too gloomy picture overall. Every major crisis is also a major chance. If the West, and especially Europe manage to reinvent themselves, they might become more vital than they have ever been. Annual growth rates above 10% might be possible with a shift to UBI, real time cybernetic direct democracies, crowd funded citizen everything, bottom up reputation systems, and major investments into AI, robotics, biotech, and nanotechnology. With lots of luck we could manage this transformation without too much violence.

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I hope for that. WAR WAR WAR!!!

War is much cooler.

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Why do you want to see the world burn so eagerly? Are you so dissatisfied with the current status quo that probably death seems to be so much more preferable?

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Compared to that

warfare is just much cooler! Also, war fastens technological development.

I especially love military aviation and ships.

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Cut-throat men founded America with help of military puppets while robbing native Americans’ land, normalizing black slave trade, creating internalized misogyny from Christianity’s influence, making schools be dehumanizing institutions for working class slaves, and promoting the American dream illusion for immigrants.

The U.S. was and is always founded on genocide, slavery, dehumanizing schools that are a joke, etc.

There is a reason why the Europeans kicked the religious extremists out their countries. Those same religious extremists who were greedy psychos founded America.

America never was nor is a decent country where compassion, honesty, justice, family, and life are valued. Only war, death, rape, torture, brainwashing lower class slaves, con artistry, hypocrisy, sadism, profit, power, and control are what America’s owners value. So, they teach working class children to sell their souls to the devil metaphorically for profit, con artistry, war, torture, rape, etc. Which are all why P.T.S.D, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, committed suicides, antisocial personality disorder, sociopathy, psychopathy, domestic violence, neglected children, poverty, homelessness, and other things are inevitable in the U.S.

America’s owners were and are never genuinely nice. They found a way to make more profitable power by increasing wealth inequality while infrastructure increasingly decays in America many decades ago.

Central bank cartels, elite-owned media companies, increasing wealth inequality, cheap labor from outsourcing, increasingly broken education systems, and government-tracked devices that spy on working class slaves keep them impoverished while very rich men who own America get very wealthy during the pandemic.

More Americans are living in tents and don’t have enough clean food, clean water, healthcare, etc. while these cut-throat men have economically abandoned the working class citizens who extremely suffer without justice in America.

Younger Americans have significantly lower I.Q’s than older Americans because of increasing wealth inequality, lack of easy access to higher education from artifically created student debt caused by cut-throat upper class people, expensive cost of living, and hard time staying healthy that all have been happening for many decades now. Younger Americans are less prepared to become intellectually competitive employees after graduating high school because of this increasing wealth inequality. It is why sports have become more popular in America because they don’t require much critical thinking and working class Americans are too poor to afford intellectual hobbies that let them have leisure time to think outside the box while being stuck in their workplaces because they are barely getting by financially. It is why working class Americans have become borderline braindead workaholics that lack critical thinking because they are so focused on working that they don’t focus on their intellectual growth. It’s why creativity is stifling in America. Even its pop music industry has become banal prostitution of sex disguised as love and commercialization of mediocre products. It’s braindead consumerism to keep the working class dumb while rich men get richer.

The Chineses will defeat these borderline braindead American degenerates who rot with junk food, polluted water, alcohol, harmful drugs, smoking, repetitive sports, banal Hollywood movies, banal pop music, warmongering death, P.T.S.D, depression, anxiety, obesity, poverty, lack of purchasing power for intellectual hobbies, etc.

The Chineses will outcompete Americans in regards to technological advancement.

The Chineses already surpass Americans in regards to I.Q. level. The Chineses are more mathematically and scientifically literate than most Americans. So, the Chineses are already surpass most Americans intellectually.

The Chineses are also surpassing most Americans in regards to health. The Chineses are more healthy than most Americans.

Most Americans demand products without being competent employees themselves. They demand things while being lazy or too poor to improve themselves. So, they are barely getting by in an already crumbling empire that very rich men leech off of.

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Given that I’ve written the OP in December 2019, that post looks frighteningly precient, considering the adoption of draconic authoritarian measures to fight Covid-19. It looks like the deciders of this world realized the apparent superiority of the Chinese model and try to roll it out as fast as possible in all nations of the globe.

Of couse, this roll out causes a lot of public resistance in the West where the ideals of personal freedom and democracy are still a central part of the political narrative. Especially where the measures have met a relatively cricital public, like in the USA and Europe, protests against authoritarian measures are on the rise. This may be mostly due to the stupidity and arbitrariness of many measures against Covid-19. Too few people realize what is really going on: A political restructuring of the whole world. In the early phase of the Covid-19 crisis I called it “Chinesification”. Nowadays many use the narrative of the “Great Reset”, laid out by the infamous head of the WEF Klaus Schwab. After having read the book with the same title and the book “The Fourth Industrial Revolution” I am quite appalled by the lack of visionary prowess that Mr. Schwab has displayed therein. His message feels like the most lackluster version of transhumanism that I’ve ever witnessed. In other words, it’s bullshit. Still, a lot of critial thinkers suspect a plan to erase personal freedoms behind the agenda of the WEF. I think it’s mostly distraction while the real decisions are made at meetings in which the public view is excluded.

What we are witnessing right now may be termed as “Great Awakening”. An increasing number of people are waking up to the sinister plans of a globalist plutocratic leadership that tries to increase its control over all people on this planet. In order not to raise too much suspicion, the erosion of personal freedom is done slice by slice. This has been going on for decades, but the speed at which this is happening has increased dramatically since the West has started to adopt authoritarian interventions legitimized through their alleged effectiveness at keeping a relatively mild pandemic at bay. This raised the level of suspicion of the critically thinking part of the population. But instead of moderating the intensity of their measures, the degree of the erosion of personal freedoms is accelerated. For an elite that aims at controlling all of humanity, this doesn’t seem like a rational approach. That they pull through against all public resistance and maximize the levels of censorship indicates that this elite is under an unprecedented amount of pressure. Otherwise it would relax its tempo and plan the dismantling of democracy and freedom better.

The interesting question is what will happen when this Great Awakening in the West will succeed. At first, the West will probably still be confronted with a largely authoritarian and collectivist East against it will have to compete. So, the West will have to reinvent, or at least recollect itself after returning to the ideals of freedom, democracy, and souvereignty. This might release enough creative potential to cause a new renaissance that dramatically increases the rate of technological and societal progress. In this scenario, the West would quickly outcompete the East after which the latter would be compelled to imitate the first.

While it may be true that the USA is suffering from a lot of systemic problems, China also has its fair share of systemic dysfunctions that may cause its demise sooner or later. Neither sphere of influence does seem to have a robust system for dealing with corruption. A reinvigorated USA, in which people rise against the powers that caused its corruption, might come up with a solution. Even if the USA might lose its status as dominant world power, it might regain a status as role model for the rest of the world. I truly hope that this will happen, because the political vitality of Europe has suffered a lot under the shadow of US dominance. Europe has become too subservient to the “border powers” of the USA and China to create a souvereign solution, which would have been the solution that I had preferred initially. Still, Europe might soon become a part of the solution, rather than part of the problem, if its people realize quickly enough what’s at play right now.

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Countries were never controlled by rulers who care about freedom and democracy. It’s all about money, power, control, greed, and stupidity.

The Americas, Africa, Asia, and Europe were always controlled by oligarchs.

Freedom is an illusion to keep blind optimists happy.

Democracy is a euphemism to disguise who the real and wealthy leaders are.

After World War 2, Europe was losing economic power while America’s cut-throat empire grew stronger economically.

Working class Americans were always used as fodder for the American war machine since America was created. They are used as fodder still. Because these oligarchs who rule America profit from endless wars. It’s about money. Not democracy, protecting human rights, and compassion.

The working class Americans are given broken school systems to keep them indoctrinated with brainwashing, not intellectually liberated. Chinese oligarchs are brainwashing working class people with social credit scores, banning things like V.P.Ns, Orwellian online surveillance, and other dehumanizing things. It’s about making these working class people dumb enough to be easily manipulated by wealthy oligarchs.

Currently, R.T. America has been banned globally. So, it is making oligarchy show its ruthless head rather than democracy and freedom to watch media without having governments act like parents. Governments these days have been increasingly acting like totalitarian parents telling what people can and should do. The reason for this is because ultra-wealthy oligarchs have already made their New World Order come true. These ultra-wealthy oligarchs rule America’s empire. They use America’s empire to bully non-American countries with their military-industrial complex, leechy international trade policies, sweatshops to keep some “independent” countries poor forcibly (which puts underaged girls into sex trafficking to make ends meet), online surveillance, and censorship. It’s not about democracy and protecting human rights at this point.

Protecting human rights has become a joke everywhere now. Because all countries are financially supporting sweatshops in countries where underaged girls are involved in sex trafficking to make ends meet.

Feminism has become a joke, too. Because ultra-wealthy oligarchs have economically bullied sweatshop countries into poverty until internalized misogyny from sex trafficking inevitably happens.

These rich and famous celebrity sellouts are there to distract working class people with propaganda controlled by ultra-wealthy oligarchs while non-American citizens from sweatshop countries suffer.

Otherwise, Europe has online surveillance, censorship, the banning of R.T. America, high taxes, central bank cartels controlled by elites, and other things that represent Orwellian things.

Russia has been lied about by Europe and America’s mainstream media propaganda after World War 2. Because Russian oligarchs refused to have central bank cartels in Russia allowing America and Europe’s oligarchs to loot money. That is why Russian banks are decentralised and cannot be corrupted by oligarchs who control Europe and America. It’s all about greed for money, power, and control. Not democracy nor human rights.

If oligarchy, greed, and other crap ended after World War 2, Russia would have not invaded Ukraine. Russia’s oligarchs don’t want to be debt slaves to other countries. So, they invaded Ukraine to spread the Russian empire.

China and Russia’s oligarchs are working together to plan on attacking America’s oligarchs. China does not have enough military power that America has. So, China’s oligarchs are attacking countries to spread the Chinese empire for increasing military power. Europe is in the middle of this pre-World War 3. Europe has no military and economic powers that surpass America or China. So, Europe will be screwed when China and Russia’s oligarchs start attacking European nations.

The middle eastern oligarchs could possibly join Russia and China to vengefully declare war on America. Because America’s kleptocratic military-industrial complex has terrorised the middle eastern countries to only benefit living ultra-wealthy oligarchs who rule America while working class American soldiers die.

America’s monstrous militarians have caused toxic masculinity to inevitably cause internalized misogyny. This is why feminism is a joke until these toxic people don’t have power to control countries anymore.

The United States has systemic slavery via increasing wealth inequality to destroy social mobility, systemic racism by not allowing foreigners to be presidents, systemic ableism from working class slaves having wealth inequality prevent self-improvement, systemic theocracy based on misogynistic religion for religious grifting via taking poor people’s money by fake charity in churches while pedophilic priests or pastors live luxuriously, systemic pedophilia by not banning child marriage in every state to prevent old sickos from grooming minors, systemic anti-intellectualism via having mainstream media owned by oligarchs to indoctrinate working class Americans with propaganda (especially from elitist gag orders), etc. It is no wonder that Edward Snowden and Julian Assange stayed away from America.

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All right, I think we need a way to cut through the bullshit that is spread by the deep state. Currently, there is obviously a propaganda war going on in order to demonize Russia. The last instance of the propaganda war was that against the opponents against the anti-Covid19 measures. What’s good about the current situation is that it has become obvious, how the Western elites that control the media operate. Anything that opposes the current agenda is demonized in the strongest way possible.

Vice versa, the current agenda is that agenda whose opponents are demonized in the strongest fashion. So, the current agenda is war and poverty. War against Russia, because … it has been prepared so long it advance, so please let the military industrial complex have its field day, please? Of course, humanitarian donations are used to purchase more weapons in order to prolong this war, anything else would simply be madness, wouldn’t it?

And inflation is skyrocketing because … well, how do you suppose the states are able to get rid of their astronomical debt otherwise? Anyone who still has the majority of their savings in a bank is a bloody fool.

People in Europe are waking up to the fact, that their governments merely fulfill their role as vassal states of the USA, or even the WEF. This situation is only exacerbated by the economic crisis that is deepened by the Ukraine conflict.

Now, more and more people are starting to get really angry about their governments. Politicians start to fear for their lives – for good reasons! The West will soon see its own Arab Spring. And that will shatter many of the remaining illusions that so many people still cling on to.

The real question is: What will come after that? After all, a change in the ruling figures won’t necessarily change the underlying agendas. Even after a series of revolutions, we could still approach the Chinese (CCP) model of total surveillance. How do we escape that fate?

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