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On the Origins of Consciousness and 'Qualia'


#1

Where do ye think that subjective experiences, consciousness and in Ancient Greek, ‘qualia’, come from? There are many hypothesis by religion and neuroscience. So far, no answer has been found. One might even say, the more we know about that, the less we understand.

At least, it shows how far the world is from creating a true human-like AI.

I have to admit, I got that question after somebody sent me pictures of the “NPC” meme.


(Manfred) #2

Dazu geben wohl der „Panpsychismus“ (fürchterliches Wort) bzw. die „Theorie der integrierten Information“ gegenwärtig die überdenkendwertesten Erklärungen.

https://www.herder.de/hk/hefte/archiv/2017/9-2017/ueberall-geist-die-renaissance-des-panpsychismus/


(Shackleford) #3

Kann mich auch sehr gut mit der Idee des “Panpsychismus” anfreunden. Meine Empfehlung dazu ist Patrick Späts “Der Mensch lebt nicht vom Hirn allein”. Ein Hammer-Buch!


(Manfred) #4

Stimmt. Das Buch kenne ich auch. Unter dem obigen Link ist aber eine, meiner Meinung nach gute Zusammenfassung des Themas zu finden.


#6

Yeah, but how shall anybody develope an artificial intelligence if he doesn’t even know where his comes from?

That sounds like animism to me.


(Michael Hrenka) #7

Given the existence of unconscious perception (“blindsight”), it stands to reason that there is a special process that is applied to information present in the mind to make it conscious. Consciousness seems to be a holistic phenomenon of the brain. Information that is encoded to be processed by the holistic consciousness (holistically encoded) is that what we call qualia. We just don’t know how this code looks like. The code behind qualia may be simple, but may have eluded human ingenuity and intuition so far. Unless someone already secretly cracked it and hasn’t published the results, yet.

An important question is whether we will crack the qualia code before creating general artificial intelligence, or afterwards. That also depends on how important qualia is for the functioning of generally intelligent systems. If it wasn’t important, then why did nature create something that looks as wasteful as holistic encoding?

It could also be the case that qualia are necessary for neuromorphic AI, but that there are other forms of AI that don’t have consciousness and work just as well or even better. Imagine an AI that could tell you exactly how it works and what it’s thinking without having the slightest hint of any subjective experience.


#8

Because without it, everything else would be pointless, since literally, nobody would notice.

That depends on how one defines AI. Some say “strong AI” is consciousness and “weak AI” is not. For me, a real AI has subjective experience of er own. E perceives, feels and thinks akin to a biological person. A fake AI, a program that just passes the Turing test and is indistinguishable from a person for somebody who interacts with it, but has no personality of its own, is a virtual intelligence (VI).


#9

it always is worth it to take a look at c.g.jung`s theory of the collective unconscious.


(Manfred) #10

Der Panpsychismus (besser die Theorie der integrierten Information) lässt sich natürlich unter verschiedenen Blickwinkeln betrachten. Der von mir eingestellte Link beinhaltet, neben einer guten Zusammenfassung des Themas, den Blickwinkel des Theologen. Einen kurzen Betrag dieser Art aus dem Blickwinkel eines „Materialisten“ bzw. eines „neutralen“ Autors hatte ich so schnell nicht zur Hand. Daher vielleicht der Eindruck, dass es sich hier um eine Spielart des Animismus handelt.

P.S. In einem deutschsprachigen Forum sollten wir uns bemühen unsere Gedanken in deutscher Sprache auszudrücken (sofern die deutsche Sprache beherrscht wird).