Evolution and Eugenics

evolution is something that always happened without our interference. and entropy is just an observation about something that always happened, as well - with or without our interference. and what you talk about is social darwinism .

what causes humanity to derail? what is meant by natural selection? send a civilized human being into the desert or somewhere else in the wild and he probably wouldn´t survive a day although the natives live there for thousands of years. could we call that natural selection and the native a higher form of our species?

so, a future humanity wouldn´t want someone like me, because i am sickly…
you haven´t answered my question about the model. what i want to tell you was, that the “qualities” you mentioned are not less arbitrary than any “quality” a human made up in his mind. what position do you want to take up: are the civilized humans naturally selected or are they already degenerated, compensating natural selection?
my position is: humans create cultures. and you can call that a natural process or not. that doesn´t matter. and what we became because of our cultural interference with our mind is to an unknown degree arbitrary. and we could not know how big the amount of change is and what remains genuin at all. so it could be, that the civilization transformed humans into yorkshireterriers ( this should be a picture for the amount of cultural change!) that couldn´t survive a day in the environment, their ancestors live. and yorkshireterriers have a completely different mind set and value system than wolves. they might consider canned food and dog chocolate as healthy, worm attack, fleas and ticks as sickly ( and might come up with a solution of genetically altered individuals that cannot be infected with parasites anymore) and looking sweet and tricking their master to give them what they want as intelligence, hunting as barbaric and having a ribbon on their forehead as beauty. so if yorkshireterriers will become the ruler of dogworld we could call that evolution, and if they will go extinct it will be evolution as well!

humanity will have a real big problem if we will go on to justify our actions with our strange idea of evolution and dawinism. some nice thoughts of a great philosopher:

Friedrich Nietzsche’s philosophy addressed the question of artificial selection, yet Nietzsche’s principles did not concur with Darwinian theories of natural selection. Nietzsche’s point of view on sickness and health, in particular, opposed him to the concept of biological adaptation as forged by Spencer’s “fitness”. Nietzsche criticized Haeckel, Spencer, and Darwin, sometimes under the same banner by maintaining that in specific cases, sickness was necessary and even helpful.[21] Thus, he wrote:
Wherever progress is to ensue, deviating natures are of greatest importance. Every progress of the whole must be preceded by a partial weakening. The strongest natures retain the type, the weaker ones help to advance it. Something similar also happens in the individual. There is rarely a degeneration, a truncation, or even a vice or any physical or moral loss without an advantage somewhere else. In a warlike and restless clan, for example, the sicklier man may have occasion to be alone, and may therefore become quieter and wiser; the one-eyed man will have one eye the stronger; the blind man will see deeper inwardly, and certainly hear better. To this extent, the famous theory of the survival of the fittest does not seem to me to be the only viewpoint from which to explain the progress of strengthening of a man or of a race

(Social Darwinism - Wikipedia)

we have to realize, that humanity will not progress with the help of genes but with memes. because that is what already happened to us: we became different due to our different cultures WE developed and not “nature” developed for us…and we don´t have a model to decide what is weak and what is strong, what is intelligent and what is not, because we already changed and our specific memes that differ so much from genuin perceptions and interpretations, are forming our values and mindsets. so the only first step into progress has to be to become conscious about ourselves and our memes.

i don´t know that movie but i looked up the plot in wikipedia and watched some videos on you tube and i think i get the picture. you can use that world full of idiots for the same purpose i used my yorkshireterriers. those idiots have their memes and ideas and values and if you give them the power to create “the perfect human being” according to their mindset, they will create the perfect idiot. because they don´t have a comparison, a model beside themselves. the movie introduces a kind of comparison/model with the frozen man. but what would happen if some archeologists will discover a frozen man for us next year? and what if this man is as puzzled and disturbed about what we have become just like the one in the movie? and how could we find out what the best values and memes are?

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