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#27

@ Radivis :

maybe you should consider, that in teal organizations everybody is encouraged to work in his own style on his own initiative. is it really clever to stop somebody who wants to do a job for you?

but probably you have a point here:

to mention the possible negative aspect could be considered as bad marketing! although especially this particular point convinced me to vote for operation trollface. and if his approach works for me, because i am an arrogant tosser for all my life and i don´t care…( i believe so…i guess…maybe) his approach could also work for others that are like me.
so why stop him? if he fails and could not tempt any new person to join this forum, you have proof that his marketing skills are not better than yours. but if he has the power to ruin the reputation of this f3 he has proven his point, because to achieve that he must have acquired very good marketing skills! i think this is a win-win situation, so i think you should let him try! :sunglasses:

@ Peter :

yes!


(Michael Hrenka) #28

In the case that the person in question would be doing more harm than good, then yes.

Are you sure attracting more of your kind into the F3 is a good idea? :wink:

We need a good mixture of personalities here, not a bunch of people who think they are better than everyone else without actually getting anything done. I’m not saying this description fits to anyone in particular in this forum. Also, I’m not saying this description doesn’t fit anyone in particular in this forum. :wink: It’s just meant as prototype of a character that wouldn’t further the actual goals of the F3: To envision and create a better future. We need to attract actual visionaries and creators. If we make ourselves too attractive for the wrong character type, we’ll just stay an insignificant talking club forever.

I’m pretty sure that ruining the reputation of a group is easier than improving its reputation to the same degree. So, I wouldn’t see that result as proof of “very good” marketing skills.

It’s easy to see win-win situations everywhere, if you redefine “loss” as “win”. :smirk:


#29

sometimes you are too serious and sober for my taste. if transforming the world into a better place would be such a disciplined, strategic and grave business :expressionless: like it often seems to be when i read your lines and not the creative, explosive and playful funprocess :sun_with_face: i always hoped for, then maybe you have your explanation why it is so difficult to lure people into this…

definitely! do you have any doubts about that? ( please don´t answer this ! :raised_hand: :rage: )


(Michael Hrenka) #30

I sense wrong dichotomies. Playing games if often a very disciplined, strategic, and grave business, but it’s fun in the end, nevertheless. It’s too bad that this doesn’t seem to be intuitive common sense. Work hard = play hard

Work is fun. Fun is work.


(Professor J. Moriarty) #31

heh. I wrote this on ZS in 2013:

ZS Principles: I think there is one missing: FUN.

Don’t take yourselves too seriously. Relax. Be happy. Be calm. Be zen.
Be chilled. Laugh. Joke. Smile. Have fun!

(what is the point of doing anything if you’re always miserable?)

If someone starts getting all butthurt and talking like a pompous
stick up their ass; you remind them of the principle of FUN!

This will solve a lot of problems, I feel.

They did not respond with so many smiles :frowning:


(Professor J. Moriarty) #32

True, but I can’t ruin your reputation. You don’t control me. I am out of control. I hate the whole: groups should present a ‘united front’ idea.


(Professor J. Moriarty) #33

Yeah, but dont fuel my messiah delusions!


(João Luz) #34

Love it! I couldn’t agree more, some movements take themselves far too seriously.


(Michael Hrenka) #35

Ah, that gives me an idea: I could rename Fractal Future to “Serious Future:open_mouth: :wink:

Anyway, at least we have a section dedicated to fun here: The Café category! :coffee:


(João Luz) #36

It’s funny how that name change would make people take the forum less seriously, ahahah


(Professor J. Moriarty) #37

Now go be amorphous and liberate some peeps from the FaceMatrix book.

Noobo: “I can’t go back, can I?”

Amorphous: “No. But if you could, would you really want to? I feel I owe you an apology. We have a rule. We never free a mind once it’s reached a certain age. It’s dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go. I’ve seen it before and I’m sorry.”


#38

Hi all, I was thinking about the usefulness of 1 document to help introduce F3 along side what we already have like the About page

###Eureka a PDF!

I thought I’d make a PDF format for my own reference, to keep on the desktop or in directory if ever I wanted to refer to it off-line or avoid browsing on-line for it. So having a PDF as a marker and not needing the browser can help in some way that maybe the link to the about page doesn’t quite have in speed or preference. It’s less pages in comparison.

##Collect them all!
I’m a bit of a community collector - which is basically taking the best I can from each community and what they got right for me and a directory is what I have, off-line. Even in today’s connected world it’s a great way of making sure a) I’ll remember you / preserve what I saw good here and b)I can refer to material I talk about on my own site directly to the info without 404 broken file/page links possible in the future. ( It’s remarkable how many have moved, change site structure, layout & theme, been bullied / threatened etc.)

###Summary:
Some of the above can help keep with digital world which can inefficient / duplicated but fast but also very fragile environment where your click can be dead AT ANY MOMENT. So having your own copy can help be efficient in your way and not rely on others so much.

##Repository
Added to my offer of this file some kind of repository / storage for different F3 material (maybe some art too if you want) might help.

  • So a few different digital versions of importance
  • the equivalent to having flyers or other digital material as hand-out type stuff
  • this will also encourage user creation having it in different formats (currently I see LOTS of text only)
  • and different ways of looking at the similar intentions and the community.

##SUMMARY
As I write this the convenience of a PDF may only measurable be for me, but as it’s created and I’ve explained the points titles and in bold above, I hope my feeling that like-minded people are out they are doing he same is true. PDF is definitely something more easy to scroll, can zoom and possibly more printer friendly for some people’s set-up.


#BONUS / SLIGHTLY OFF-TOPIC
##Interested in the process of the PDF?
For those interested in making a PDF or my methodology - here are my steps:

  • Open OpenOffice Writer
  • Copied the info from About page into OpenOffice
  • Make pages as full as possible
    (deleted Google Hangouts for my own reasons + it helped to be 3 full pages instead of 3 and a bit left over into 4th page.
  • resized fractal picture (not so big and text wrapped around)
  • added forum tool bar at bottom (optional version without this possible)
  • exported as PDF
    (and lastly of course replied to topic and clicked upload (in reply toolbar) and pointed to the PDF on my disk)
    Fractal Future Forum (About).pdf (114.1 KB)
    and here’s the open office document in the case it’s useful or PDF is wanted to be changed (open, this file, make changed and click Export As PDF…)
    oh just noticed I can’t upload .ODT files… so it’s zipped - perhaps someone can allows that, thanks!
    Fractal Future Forum (About).zip (133.4 KB)

##Free School / Off-line thoughts
I’m Free Schooler. I see my self as a kind of Free School where ever I am. That means eventually when people decide to focus on education and stopping their unuseful activities then I’m really able to teach those that can take the best from me and implement it as they want for themselves - when you find someone who has done a lot of work / homework and tried to be neutral about things I think those people are gems… a self-compliment and perhaps more I’m suggesting people (the gems) are HIGHLY underused due to their own beliefs and principles and also other people’s blocking principles and beliefs. Something clear, digestible / bite-sized manner can be more confidently said yes or no to. I’d like to think of the future as one big free school - assisting anybody who have chosen to explore or upgrade any kind of knowledge, awareness or something of that nature - in a modular learning pattern and being able to jump as their impulse tells them (biological signals at the base level) with some learning of one’s own habits to ask for help in curbing them with others that may have passed / over come them.

Off-line

I think the fact that business run things eventually means we’ll either be cornered like chess pieces or we’ll choose to run away realising that business can and will get to wherever we are again or has beat us to it in the multitude of ways it can.
Once the methodology is there, I think off-line things makes sure business intervention is minimal / less-existent or a more specific chosen sin… instead of all-under-one-roof styles of data houses. Perhaps many communities are aiming to wards more sufficiency in their members and lack of options in real life may reflect that. The missing part is what to do by ourselves.

####Internet
Needing the internet is perhaps the preparation for what to do off-line too… because internet is also whole infrastructure, cost and physical mass and those connected often find (or I do) that I actually would prefer something else but from lack of options remain here. I actually quite almost everything and this is one of the last forums on the list… so goodbye!.. No not yet…:slight_smile:

People want more and more to keep those meaningful things, and achieving less distraction and more focus is one of them. Sadly the internet can arguable do more distraction with those willing to catch people in their own ideas of spinning the world for non-human reasons. You might agree that after a certain level, if you had a few good people around you and some material to work with then the physically needed manning of the internet could be less of an occupation for us all because we found something better to do. The internet is good, but there is better in the above respects once you have been on here and seen it all somewhat.

So it’s helpful to me to practice locally having files, encrypted of course, so I can be a Free School and have as a tool for education some material to conversation / dedicated deliberate consented training or as distributed peer-to-peer style contact.


(Michael Hrenka) #39

Yes, that is a very important point. The information on the web is highly volatile. You may think that there is an Internet Archive (also called the WaybackMachine), but it has a patchy memory. Unfortunate circumstances have caused me to lose some contents I’ve released in some previous blogs of mine. The Internet Archive wasn’t too useful at restoring them.

This is why it’s actually a good idea to download some very good pages, and articles. I regularly make backups of the whole F3. But in reality, your content on the F3 belongs to you. You can download everything you’ve written on the F3 by clicking on the “Download My Posts” button on your profile page. That’s a really awesome feature of the Discourse software, and it should actually be used. What if something happened to me, and I was unable to maintain the forum? I hope that won’t happen, but you never know. In theory, other admins could make a backup of the forum and restore it on their own VPS. In reality, no F3 member is actually prepared for doing that, most likely because the F3 is still young and small.

Interesting idea. We have something for that with the

thread, but we could create more threads with different types on non-standard-text content. If you have an idea, just start a new thread and tell people what kind of contents are expected.

Ok, that’s fixed now. You can upload .odt files now. Any other wishes for file formats you’d like to upload onto the forum?


#40

Not that I can think of… however… some other good idea related…

I’ve been thinking about what I do (hard to say!) but like you see the pattern here, perhaps knowledge and some kind of mutual education = freeschool.0id.org so I could think how that could benefit things here.
The file format reminded me of how many different types I have but not on-line or so focused mainly portable software, best software in general, TXT files, QUOTES (my own and others), JPG, PDF, MAFF, HTML, MP3, best AVI and few others type connected to themes / other people / communities / genres… maybe could add / merge it a bit more but not sure exactly how and maybe it’s for you to suggest that… rather than cloud you mind with what I’d call it… maybe have a look at freeschool.0id.org


(Professor J. Moriarty) #41

No. Unless by ‘touching sore spots’ you mean ‘telling people why they’re wrong’.

Yes. Just encouraging people to think and become enlightened. (He was liked by the people that he enlightened)


#42

This paragraph meant the internet can be fast but… fragile… "So having your own copy can be efficient in one’s own way" and not rely on others so much (or someone else’s copy).

I’m sorry about the loss of your content.

I’m not sure why you even mentioned Internet Archive - because I didn’t.
You seem to put words in my mouth to start with 'You may think" and start writing what I may think… but I’d never bring Internet Archive and I think writing about other things, like this, proves distracting in this case. Perhaps have a look how why you arrived to this point after agreeing that information on the internet fragile / volatile… (no need argue it out as I know I didn’t mention it and perhaps in your self you can realise way you inserted this at this point and connected it to your blog loss).

###bonus info
Internet Archive isn’t for backing up blogs. Internet Archive captures a few things or a few versions of mostly popular or mainstream sites or those requested… not everything on a site or blog.
Internet Archive is only available for sites that allow crawlers. If your site said ‘no thanks’ to crawlers then it wouldn’t have crawled your site and respected that.

As you mention it and without going on about it, the best way if you never experienced loss before or didn’t know, is to export a backup of your blog… That way you have control and can managed it, like a hinted to before. These are basics into medium / long-term computing. Backup. A good blog plug-in can do a scheduled captures, say monthly, and export your blog content to zip format (so copying takes less time and archiving is neater).
I hope that helps you and you can avoid loss of your blog / etc in future. If it wasn’t obvious I hope that’s maybe more clearer now so you don’t have to use things like Internet Archive in your examples in a more blaming / disappointed (or whatever ) way when quoting it out of context when it was never made to do what you seem to expect such as running to it and expect it to be “useful at restoring them” or having a backup there waiting for you.


(Tero Keski Valkama) #43

There are other archives in addition to the Wayback Machine. At least the Finnish National Library archives a lot of web pages. Probably all significant libraries do that. They archive pretty much everything, including blogs and stuff, as long as it’s publicly accessible.


(Michael Hrenka) #44

Operation trollface needs to be terminated now. Stop trolling people on various online platforms. Be nice to them. Respect their communication preferences. Please, nothing good will come out of you continuing as you have done so far. People will get annoyed and flee you and all the places and people that are connected to you – including the whole transhumanist community.


(Professor J. Moriarty) #45

That wasn’t even TrollFishing. Moriarty only counter-trolled him. The punk was asking for it. Don’t deny it. He got what he deserved. AND it was a good lesson for those aspiring transhumans.


(Professor J. Moriarty) #46

And if the slack chan gets less popular, like @dw2 said it wood: “Smart kids will look at the quality of the discussion here, and exit fairly quickly”. Then I’ll agree with you that I’ve made a mistake. But it won’t. It will get more popular. Humans love drama. (In any case, the Chan was dead before Moriarty decided he wood revive it, 2 woods ago. So what Moriarty built, Moriarty can destroy. That’s only fair. People can fork and make a ‘no-Moriarties club’ if they want. I will even help them do it. But they won’t, cos they need him.

And in case anyone is pissed with Moriarty: IT WAS ALL MICHALES IDEA. MICHEAL MADE MORIARTY (I can prove it).